My Genographic results: Haplogroup: I (M170)
My Genographic results (see supplemental information on other haplogrroups and maps here:
Population growth during the Upper Paleolithic era may have spurred the M168 lineage to seek new hunting grounds for the plains animals crucial to their survival. A period of moist and favorable climate had expanded the ranges of such animals at this time, so these nomadic peoples may have simply followed their food source.
Improved tools and rudimentary art appeared during this same epoch, suggesting significant mental and behavioral changes. These shifts may have been spurred by a genetic mutation that gave “Eurasian Adam’s” descendants a cognitive advantage over other contemporary, but now extinct, human lineages.
Some 90 to 95 percent of all non-Africans are descendants of the second great human migration out of Africa, which is defined by the marker M89.
M89 first appeared 45,000 years ago in Northern Africa or the Middle East. It arose on the original lineage (M168) of “Eurasian Adam,” and defines a large inland migration of hunters who followed expanding grasslands and plentiful game to the Middle East.
Many people of this lineage remained in the Middle East, but others continued their movement and followed the grasslands through Iran to the vast steppes of Central Asia. Herds of buffalo, antelope, woolly mammoths, and other game probably enticed them to explore new grasslands.
With much of Earth’s water frozen in massive ice sheets, the era’s vast steppes stretched from eastern France to Korea. The grassland hunters of the M89 lineage traveled both east and west along this steppe “superhighway” and eventually peopled much of the continent.
A group of M89 descendants moved north from the Middle East to Anatolia and the Balkans, trading familiar grasslands for forests and high country. Though their numbers were likely small, genetic traces of their journey are still found today.
Haplogroup I, is widespread throughout southeastern and central Europe and most common in the Balkans. Members of this haplogroup carry a 20,000-year-old marker dubbed M170.
This Y chromosome marker first appeared in the Middle East. Its subsequent spread into southeastern Europe may have accompanied the expansion of the prosperous Gravettian culture. These Upper Paleolithic people used effective communal hunting techniques and developed art notable for voluptuous female carvings often dubbed “Venus” figures.
The later spread of this lineage could be also tied to the mid-first millennium B.C. Celtic culture. The tantalizing possibility could explain the wider dispersal of this unique genetic marker.
Wow, that’s great that you got your DNA analyzed. I read the story in National Geographic. It’s amazing what they can figure out from the clues in DNA. Since your DNA might be Celtic you should really make sure to come to our St. Patrick’s Day party. (Mar 18th 5pm)
Bob Steinke
February 24, 2006 at 10:29 pm
hi, checking on my geneology. I am also of HP I with M170 as a genetic marker.
Jason Pike
March 22, 2006 at 10:46 am
jason, i also am a M170. are you listed with the familytreedna.com or the Genographic project? I have done the 25 marker test as well as the mtDNA. would love to compare results with some M170 folks
Julian Hawes
March 24, 2006 at 11:25 am
Just wanted to let you know that my husband is also a member of your haplogroup with roots in the Balkans as well. He found one 12 marker match in Romania on Family Tree DNA’s site. Mitosearch.org is another site to search for matches on.
Best regards to all.
Lili
March 26, 2006 at 6:12 pm
Thank you all for your comments.
My father’s father came from a village in Serbia in the former Yugoslavia named Krbavica. Grandfather emigrated to the United States around 1905.
I actually grew up in a small town In Missouri on the Missouri River Bend called Sugar Creek, which was the site of a large Croation population. My best friends growing up were the Novaks, Salvas, and Dumsky’s. I also played 2nd brac in a tamburitzan band as a young boy. My mother made the best povitica (walnut bread) in the world!
ae6rt
March 26, 2006 at 6:33 pm
Interesting, I am also haplogroup I M170. I am an immigrant from Germany 50+ years ago. I traced my father’s family in Germany back to the late 1600’s, and they lived in a small town outside of Hannover.
Fred Kreibom
March 28, 2006 at 11:10 am
Just found out from submitted dna kit to National Geographic that I belong to Haplogroup I. I was expecting to find a marker for American Indians since my family roots originate out of Alburquerque, New Mexico. Oh well!!
Phil Valenzuela
April 11, 2006 at 8:13 pm
I submitted my dna kit to National Geographic and I, too, was assigned to Haplogroup I. My ancestors came to America in the early 1700’s. I submitted my dna because of Geographic’s article about Naill Mor (aka “Naill of the Nine Hostages”). Interestinglly, His name is included in wirtten Irish historical records as being the 126th Monarch of Ireland, descended from Heremon (aka Eochiad, generation 37) who with his brother and a cousin settled in Ireland, arriving there from Cadiz, Spain, after spending years as homeless Scythians, their ancestor being Baoth (generation 13), son of Magog (generation 12), son of Japhet (generation 11), son of Noah (generation 10). I’m having real difficulity reconciling written records with Geographic’s “speculated” time frame.
Robert
April 16, 2006 at 3:55 pm
The National Geographic gave mine as exactly the same as yours (see map above).
Hap I (M170)
393 19 391 439 389-1 389-2 388 390 426 385a 385b 392
13 14 10 11 12 16 14 22 11 13 14 11
All four grandparents from the Ukraine (1889) to the USA.
My email address sirswindon@dc.rr.com
Don Prell
May 19, 2006 at 5:12 pm
It appears that I am just recently identified as a member of this august genealogical group. I think my male ancestry leads back to Wales, but I am involved in a FTDNA family group project to see if that is, in fact, the case, as I’ve experienced a surname change in the last 150 years. More study needs to be done to master the terminology in this field so I be ready when additional data are available.
Jim Burnell
July 5, 2006 at 11:54 am
It seems odd that I am related to a bunch of northern europeans, but I too am in the Haplogroup I (m170). My family went from Spain to Cuba relatively recently and that may account for this rather rare classification for a Latin American.
Jose Hernandez
March 21, 2007 at 8:14 pm
Not that odd. I’m also I M170 and originally Galician. Most of the Spanish immigrants in Cuba were of galician descent. I think it is probably the haplotype brought by the Suebi ( suevos )germanic invaders.
Enrique
May 1, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Interesting, I am also of the I group on my fathers side. Interesting stuff!!! I’ve written a little about it on my blog.
Avril
June 7, 2007 at 5:51 am
My family also went from Spain to Cuba and then to Miami. It’s not so strange to find out we’re part of Haplogroup I when you think that Spain was occupied, and in some cases permanently settled, by Germanic Tribes such as the Vandals, the Suebi, and the Visigoths, all of which originated in the Baltic area. Spain was also frequently raided by Vikings, which were known for raping as well as pillaging.
Alex Hernandez
November 6, 2007 at 8:27 am
It is interesting to read these comments from people coming from all over the world. I am from Belarus, and I also have M170. Viking nobility created the core of the first states in Eastern Europe. Polotsk, Kiev, Novgorod were all run by duke families that descended from Vikings.
Woloh
November 23, 2007 at 3:11 pm
Hi fellow I (M170)’s. My family came to the States from S. Germany in the 1700s. I don’t understand the STRs beneath the 12 loci numbers the results show.
My STRs are:
14 15 10 11 13 17 13 25 11 13 16 12
Anyone close to those? –Mike
Mike
January 18, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Hello haplo group I (M170) brothers,
Also I belong to your group although my data are definitely not the same as Don and Mike. While researching my family in the Netherlands, I got back to around 1500. From there on backwards I had to develop theories where the family came form. There were indications (identical names, heraldry) that I could go back to 1325 in Amsterdam (NL), from there on Ieper (Bel) and further 1250 Cahors (France) (identical names). This could be result of the struggle of the rk-church against the Cathares in N-Spain and S-France. Even a crusade was held against them. Of course this couldn’t be proved as yet. With the outcome of the GP-test and with some knowledge of history, the next step was to develop a theory how my name (Abbas) and family landed ultimately in the Netherlands. And I think that Alex Hernandez point the finger in the right direction. Haplo group I-M170 came from the Middle East to the Balkan; it was not a fixed place. It was stated “about the Balkan”, which could well be somewhere in Central Europe. The Visigoths lived there some time and started a war against Rome, because they were not admitted in the empire. After a while they were admitted and were allowed to live and settle south of the Danube with the mission to protect the empire against all other barbarian tribes. However, they revolted and warred again against the Romans which brought them ultimately before Rome en in the south of Italy. Later on the were granted an own kingdom which encompassed a large part of France, the Languedoc, the major part of Spain and the Baleares. Later on the were battled by the Franks and the Moors and withdrew to a smaller kingdom in the Languedoc region. Ultimately their kingdom was absorbed by the Franks. They were warriors and no farmers, reason to believe that only a few settlers were left behind. And yes, we find no large numbers of the haplo group. This also corresponds with the map I received from the GP where the dart M 170 was further drawn from the Balkan to southern part of France.
As you might know, the Ostrogoths were a brother nation of the Visigoths but followed a different path in history. If they really were of one family – it is stated that they split in the 3rd century – that could also belong to the M170 family. But they moved eastwards. “The Goths there established a vast and powerful kingdom, during the 3rd and 4th centuries, between the Danube and the Dniepr in what is now Romania, Moldavia and western Ukraine (Wikipedia)” Later many of the Ostrogothes emigrated to the Balkan and Italy, while other remained under Hunnic rule. “Gothic was still spoken sporadically in Crimea as late as the 16th century”. And the Ostrogothes played in the east the same role as their brothers in the west. That might be the reason that Woloh is part of the group. Robert mentioned that he descended from Scythians. If an Iranian speaking people is mend, this also fits as a possibly descendancy of the Ostrogoths because thy lived in the Ukraine and Southern Russia. The Christian names, however, suggest a Jewish descendance. And we must be aware that in the kingdom of the Visigoths many Jews and Moors lived peacefully together. Yes, even a Jewish prince Abba Marie was found in the Languedoc area (St. Gilles) 11th – 12th century where he was bailiff of the count of Toulouse. And be aware that my name is old-Aramaic and originates also from the Palestine area. In the GP is mentioned that many haplo group I persons were found in Scandinavia. But not the subgroup was mentioned, so I still have doubts about a M-170 group in Scandinavia.
Be aware that the former is nothing but a theory, based on logic and history. If the project later concludes that emigration to France had to be 10.000 years BC, then I have to rethink again. But if an emigration in the earlier centuries AD is a valid option, then we have a good start for this theory.
Hope you might find it interesting and invite you to discover the flaws in this hypothesis.
Rob
January 7, 2009 at 8:02 am
I read your story with intrest, I too was born in The Netherlands (Amsterdam) My cousin has traced our family name back to the mid to early 1800’s all were laborers(korn dragher))(sp.?) My father always wondered if the Bloms went up to Sweden or came down from thersince both countries have the name spelled the same. However Dutch histor is filled with peoples coming and going that after 1800’s who knows.
Ed Blom
July 29, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Hi,
I am also a member of Haplogroup I moreover subclade I2a or the old I1b. My ancestors were from Dalmatia and this region of Croatia has to highest recorded density of Hap I in the world >60% of the entire male population.
Roger S
February 17, 2009 at 9:47 pm
I have the identical DNA heritage to this. I am from South Africa with a male line descended from Netherlands. Wikipedia has an entry on this group at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I_(Y-DNA)
“Y-DNA Haplogroup I (the letter I, not the number 1) represents nearly one-fifth of the population of Europe. It can be found in most present-day European populations, with greatest density in Scandinavia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia and Sardinia. The haplogroup is almost non-existent outside of Europe, suggesting that it arose in Europe. Estimates of the age of Haplogroup I suggest that it arose prior to the Last Glacial Maximum. It may have been confined to refugia around the Black Sea and in the Balkans during the last Ice Age, and then spread northward during the recolonization of northern Europe following the retreat of the glaciers.”
Wayne
March 22, 2009 at 11:04 am
I am I-M170 and negatif for P215-. No matches.
Suppose this lineage comes from eastern europe.
Waiting for more clear results.
Wondering
May 26, 2009 at 4:08 am
Hi, I got exactly the same result, M170, am an ethnic greek from Thrace (grandparents). My parents live in Northern Greece. My grandparents were farmers for generations so don’t expect much movement. Interesting!
Panos
July 6, 2009 at 8:11 am